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Response to Advanced Onset Calvinism

In Apologetics, Chrisitian, Christian, Christianity, Trinity on April 16, 2016 at 6:42 am

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Approximately 1 out of every 4 Christians will encounter adult onset Calvinism (commonly known as AOC) during their life, either personally or in someone close to them. It can be a scary thing to encounter, especially if you’re not familiar with the symptoms. The person you once knew and loved is suddenly a completely different person.

Don’t panic.

DN-No need for panic the cure is what you are dealing with not the symptom.

It gets better.

DN-Correct though careful study and prayer start with the 5 Solas

To help you navigate the treacherous waters of AOC, I’ve listed the possible symptoms you may encounter.

  • A sudden urge to correct everything and everyone all the time about every possible thing.

DN- that is the cage stage of the cure find a brother who is reformed, he will help you through the excitement of finally finding the truth.

  • A growing conviction that every worship song you’ve ever sung is heretical and should be excised from the church catalog, including the Nicene Creed, Doxology, and most of the Psalms.

DN- This would be over reaction that turns into Hyper-Calvinism slows ruins the cure too much of a good thing.

  • A strange and inexplicable ability to listen to 300 John Piper sermons in a single day.

DN- And add RC Sproul, James White, Alistair Begg, John MacAuther and the like.

  • A burning passion to convert everyone, especially your extremely godly parents WHO TAUGHT YOU THE BIBLE, to Calvinism.

DN- The symptoms you describe are usually in response to “Who So Ever” “My Free Will” “Robots” just to be clear your parents are still Godly just wrong in tradition. In respect we illustrate the truth in Scripture and it confronts tradition.

  • A growing level of arrogance that is directly inverse to the number of blog posts you write about humility.

DN- Arrogance is a sign that everyone needs more Holy Spirit and Scripture. It’s not just those of the reformed view but Armenians as well.

  • Constant cravings for cigars and microbrews, even though they make you incredibly sick.

DN- This is actually evidence of a need to prove you’re a hipster and it’s not limited to Calvinists mostly 30 somethings that feel they need to prove something.

  • Deep suspicion of anything that might cause the slightest bit of emotion in church, especially those awful worship songs noted above.

DN- This is more symptom not cure I’ve been to many SBC, Non-Denominational gatherings that should have had a casket not an altar.

  • Deep-seated cynicism toward anyone who doesn’t take a hard stance on an issue, including but not limited to: free will, Calvinism, sports, coffee, the Trinity, capitalism, child schooling, and dating.

DN- I am a natural cynic Reformed or not, but not standing on the Trinity is denying the very nature and essence of Christianity the others not limited to reformed gatherings. This one should be big and defended, without it you get the modern church, “forget the doctrines that divide us we just want the words of Jesus” “Love Wins” that sort of ilk.

  • Being so smug you begin to panic that you won’t be able to adequately manifest all the smugness.

DN- This illustrates the arrogance in everyone including those synergists who hold their smugness as bag of freewill honor claiming that God needed their corporation in achieving His purpose.

  • An unshakeable conviction that Tim Keller is too theologically soft.

DN- Much like Steve Gaines at Bellevue for Semi-plagians, Armenians.

  • The ability to bring every conversation full circle to Romans 9.

DN- Actually Romans 8 and 9, and still waiting for a full exigent from any Arminian that doesn’t wonder all over Scripture running references and spouting philosophical rhetoric.

  • Frustration that guys like Piper and Sproul don’t draw more lines in the sand.

DN- Love Sproul, Piper, White, MacArthur, etc. no need for lines in the sand and far from frustrated.

  • Inevitably arriving at the conclusion that John Calvin was not that strong of a Calvinist. At least, not as strong as you are.

DN- Sounds more like the crew at Biola and the William Lane Craig crowd.

  • Growing a beard, but not in a hipster way! This beard is WAY DIFFERENT from hipster beards, because it tapers to a point somewhere between the nipples, just like Calvin’s beard did.

DN- I believe Jacob Arminius had the same beard just saying. The collar kept it shorter a newer fashion statement.

If you or someone you know begins experiencing these symptoms, go to a pastor IMMEDIATELY. It won’t make the slightest bit of difference, because you were predestined to be a Calvinist, but still, you should probably see a pastor.

DN- Please by all means seek out someone who read the books from the John 3:16 conference, and quotes a book about Calvinism versus actually studying the view. First question you must ask, “Have you actually read The Institutes of the Christian Religion?” Second question “Can you define the 5 Solas?” last question “If not can you direct me to someone who actually has so I can talk to them?”

But don’t worry. After 5-6 years, these symptoms will subside and you or your loved one will return to being a mostly normal person.

DN- If by normal you mean returning to the emotional turmoil of seeing people, quote a “sinners prayer” at the altar, baptized and receiving their get of hell free card, I hope not for the sake of the Gospel.

Until then…sorry.

 

Approximately 1 out of every 4 Christians will encounter adult onset Calvinism (commonly known as AOC) during their life, either personally or in someone close to them. It can be a scary thing to encounter, especially if you’re not familiar with the symptoms. The person you once knew and loved is suddenly a completely different person.

Don’t panic.

DN-No need for panic the cure is what you are dealing with not the symptom.

It gets better.

DN-Correct though careful study and prayer start with the 5 Solas

To help you navigate the treacherous waters of AOC, I’ve listed the possible symptoms you may encounter.

  • A sudden urge to correct everything and everyone all the time about every possible thing.

DN- that is the cage stage of the cure find a brother who is reformed, he will help you through the excitement of finally finding the truth.

  • A growing conviction that every worship song you’ve ever sung is heretical and should be excised from the church catalog, including the Nicene Creed, Doxology, and most of the Psalms.

DN- This would be over reaction that turns into Hyper-Calvinism slows ruins the cure too much of a good thing.

  • A strange and inexplicable ability to listen to 300 John Piper sermons in a single day.

DN- And add RC Sproul, James White, Alistair Begg, John MacAuther and the like.

  • A burning passion to convert everyone, especially your extremely godly parents WHO TAUGHT YOU THE BIBLE, to Calvinism.

DN- The symptoms you describe are usually in response to “Who So Ever” “My Free Will” “Robots” just to be clear your parents are still Godly just wrong in tradition. In respect we illustrate the truth in Scripture and it confronts tradition.

  • A growing level of arrogance that is directly inverse to the number of blog posts you write about humility.

DN- Arrogance is a sign that everyone needs more Holy Spirit and Scripture. It’s not just those of the reformed view but Armenians as well.

  • Constant cravings for cigars and microbrews, even though they make you incredibly sick.

DN- This is actually evidence of a need to prove you’re a hipster and it’s not limited to Calvinists mostly 30 somethings that feel they need to prove something.

  • Deep suspicion of anything that might cause the slightest bit of emotion in church, especially those awful worship songs noted above.

DN- This is more symptom not cure I’ve been to many SBC, Non-Denominational gatherings that should have had a casket not an altar.

  • Deep-seated cynicism toward anyone who doesn’t take a hard stance on an issue, including but not limited to: free will, Calvinism, sports, coffee, the Trinity, capitalism, child schooling, and dating.

DN- I am a natural cynic Reformed or not, but not standing on the Trinity is denying the very nature and essence of Christianity the others not limited to reformed gatherings. This one should be big and defended, without it you get the modern church, “forget the doctrines that divide us we just want the words of Jesus” “Love Wins” that sort of ilk.

  • Being so smug you begin to panic that you won’t be able to adequately manifest all the smugness.

DN- This illustrates the arrogance in everyone including those synergists who hold their smugness as bag of freewill honor claiming that God needed their corporation in achieving His purpose.

  • An unshakeable conviction that Tim Keller is too theologically soft.

DN- Much like Steve Gaines at Bellevue for Semi-plagians, Armenians.

  • The ability to bring every conversation full circle to Romans 9.

DN- Actually Romans 8 and 9, and still waiting for a full exigent from any Arminian that doesn’t wonder all over Scripture running references and spouting philosophical rhetoric.

  • Frustration that guys like Piper and Sproul don’t draw more lines in the sand.

DN- Love Sproul, Piper, White, MacArthur, etc. no need for lines in the sand and far from frustrated.

  • Inevitably arriving at the conclusion that John Calvin was not that strong of a Calvinist. At least, not as strong as you are.

DN- Sounds more like the crew at Biola and the William Lane Craig crowd.

  • Growing a beard, but not in a hipster way! This beard is WAY DIFFERENT from hipster beards, because it tapers to a point somewhere between the nipples, just like Calvin’s beard did.

DN- I believe Jacob Arminius had the same beard just saying. The collar kept it shorter a newer fashion statement.

If you or someone you know begins experiencing these symptoms, go to a pastor IMMEDIATELY. It won’t make the slightest bit of difference, because you were predestined to be a Calvinist, but still, you should probably see a pastor.

DN- Please by all means seek out someone who read the books from the John 3:16 conference, and quotes a book about Calvinism versus actually studying the view. First question you must ask, “Have you actually read The Institutes of the Christian Religion?” Second question “Can you define the 5 Solas?” last question “If not can you direct me to someone who actually has so I can talk to them?”

But don’t worry. After 5-6 years, these symptoms will subside and you or your loved one will return to being a mostly normal person.

DN- If by normal you mean returning to the emotional turmoil of seeing people, quote a “sinners prayer” at the altar, baptized and receiving their get of hell free card, I hope not for the sake of the Gospel.

Until then…sorry.

 

 

The Christian Metaphysic

In Apologetics on December 3, 2014 at 7:49 am

The Bible has a definite metaphysical theme. This would be defined as an attempt to express the entire theme of reality – of all existing things. This would how we attempt to make sense of the world as a whole by articulating and applying a set of central, regulating, organizing distinctive paradigms.

The God who is personal and there infinitely perfect and pure Spirit.

Exo 15:11 “Who is like you, O LORD, among the gods? Who is like you, majestic in holiness, awesome in glorious deeds, doing wonders?

Mal 2:10 Have we not all one Father? Has not one God created us? Why then are we faithless to one another, profaning the covenant of our fathers?

Joh 4:24 God is spirit, and those who worship him must worship in spirit and truth.”

The doctrine of the Trinity is simply that there is one eternal being of God – indivisible, infinite. This one being of God is shared by three co-equal, co-eternal persons, the Father, the Son, and the Spirit. This tri unity of God is unique in His nature, in His works, self-existent, eternal, immutable, and omnipresent.

Php 2:5 Have this mind among yourselves, which is yours in Christ Jesus,
Php 2:6 who, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped,
Php 2:7 but emptied himself, by taking the form of a servant, being born in the likeness of men.
Php 2:8 And being found in human form, he humbled himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross.
Php 2:9 Therefore God has highly exalted him and bestowed on him the name that is above every name,
Php 2:10 so that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth,
Php 2:11 and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

Joh 17:1 When Jesus had spoken these words, he lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, “Father, the hour has come; glorify your Son that the Son may glorify you,
Joh 17:2 since you have given him authority over all flesh, to give eternal life to all whom you have given him.
Joh 17:3 And this is eternal life, that they know you the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom you have sent.
Joh 17:4 I glorified you on earth, having accomplished the work that you gave me to do.
Joh 17:5 And now, Father, glorify me in your own presence with the glory that I had with you before the world existed.

2Co 13:14 The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ and the love of God and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit be with you all.

Psa 86:9 All the nations you have made shall come and worship before you, O Lord, and shall glorify your name.

Exo 3:14 God said to Moses, “I AM WHO I AM.” And he said, “Say this to the people of Israel, ‘I AM has sent me to you.'”

Joh 5:26 For as the Father has life in himself, so he has granted the Son also to have life in himself.

Gal 4:8 Formerly, when you did not know God, you were enslaved to those that by nature are not gods.
Gal 4:9 But now that you have come to know God, or rather to be known by God, how can you turn back again to the weak and worthless elementary principles of the world, whose slaves you want to be once more?

Psa 90:2 Before the mountains were brought forth, or ever you had formed the earth and the world, from everlasting to everlasting you are God.

Mal 3:6 “For I the LORD do not change; therefore you, O children of Jacob, are not consumed.

Psa 139:7 Where shall I go from your Spirit? Or where shall I flee from your presence?
Psa 139:8 If I ascend to heaven, you are there! If I make my bed in Sheol, you are there!
Psa 139:9 If I take the wings of the morning and dwell in the uttermost parts of the sea,
Psa 139:10 even there your hand shall lead me, and your right hand shall hold me.

All things that exist are because you created them out of nothing. If it has been created it is
finite if was before creation it is eternal. This includes the material world, the spirit world and
man.

Col 1:16 For by him all things were created, in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things were created through him and for him.
Col 1:17 And he is before all things, and in him all things hold together.

Heb 11:3 By faith we understand that the universe was created by the word of God, so that what is seen was not made out of things that are visible.

Gen 1:1 In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth.

Exo 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested on the seventh day. Therefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy.

Psa 148:2 Praise him, all his angels; praise him, all his hosts!
Psa 148:5 Let them praise the name of the LORD! For he commanded and they were created.

Man created in the image of God (the Imago Die) is a being that has both a material and
immaterial character, surviving bodily death with a personal awareness of God and awaiting
bodily resurrection.

Gen 1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them.

Mat 10:28 And do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather fear him who can destroy both soul and body in hell.

Eze 12:7 And I did as I was commanded. I brought out my baggage by day, as baggage for exile, and in the evening I dug through the wall with my own hands. I brought out my baggage at dusk, carrying it on my shoulder in their sight.

Rom 2:7 to those who by patience in well-doing seek for glory and honor and immortality, he will give eternal life;

2Co 5:8 Yes, we are of good courage, and we would rather be away from the body and at home with the Lord.

1Co 6:14 And God raised the Lord and will also raise us up by his power.

Co 15:42 So is it with the resurrection of the dead. What is sown is perishable; what is raised is imperishable.
1Co 15:43 It is sown in dishonor; it is raised in glory. It is sown in weakness; it is raised in power.
1Co 15:44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body.

God’s wisdom is unsearchable in creation and eternity. He made all things giving them their
definite characters.

Psa 104:24 O LORD, how manifold are your works! In wisdom have you made them all; the earth is full of your creatures.

Isa 40:28 Have you not known? Have you not heard? The LORD is the everlasting God, the Creator of the ends of the earth. He does not faint or grow weary; his understanding is unsearchable.

God determines all things by His wisdom and understanding, preserving, governing, and
predetermining the nature and course of all things this allows for his working miracles.

Eph 1:11 In him we have obtained an inheritance, having been predestined according to the purpose of him who works all things according to the counsel of his will,

Neh 9:6 “You are the LORD, you alone. You have made heaven, the heaven of heavens, with all their host, the earth and all that is on it, the seas and all that is in them; and you preserve all of them; and the host of heaven worships you.

Psa 103:19 The LORD has established his throne in the heavens, and his kingdom rules over all.

Psa 72:18 Blessed be the LORD, the God of Israel, who alone does wondrous things.

The decree by which God providentially ordains historical events is eternal, effectual,
unconditional, unchangeable, and comprehensive.

Isa 46:10 declaring the end from the beginning and from ancient times things not yet done, saying, ‘My counsel shall stand, and I will accomplish all my purpose,’

Act 2:23 this Jesus, delivered up according to the definite plan and foreknowledge of God, you crucified and killed by the hands of lawless men.

Eph 3:9 and to bring to light for everyone what is the plan of the mystery hidden for ages in God who created all things,
Eph 3:10 so that through the church the manifold wisdom of God might now be made known to the rulers and authorities in the heavenly places.
Eph 3:11 This was according to the eternal purpose that he has realized in Christ Jesus our Lord,

These truths are definitive, exemplary, and atypical (paradigmatic) for the believer; they are
ultimate principles of objective reality, set in contrast to the false and postmodern views of the
world.

Always be Ready Dr Greg Bohsen

Reliability of the New Testamant

In Apologetics on June 30, 2012 at 7:53 am

So, why did Serapion of Antioch reject the Gospel of Peter? Serapion had in his possession the testimony of eyewitnesses “in the writings handed down to us.” These writings most likely included the letters of Paul and one or more of the four New Testament Gospels — documents that strong and unbroken oral histories had long linked to eyewitnesses or close associates of eyewitnesses. Faced with a writing that claimed to come from Simon Peter, Serapion compared its teachings with these “writings handed down to us” and found inconsistencies between the Gospel of Peter and “the Savior’s right word.” As a result, Serapion reached the logical conclusion that Simon Peter — an eyewitness of Jesus — couldn’t have been the source of the so-called Gospel of Peter. Serapion’s goal was the same as other believers scattered throughout the world: He wanted to preserve eyewitness testimony about Jesus. When he examined the Gospel of Peter, his conclusion was that, because this disputed document was inconsistent with undisputed eyewitness testimonies, it didn’t reliably represent eyewitness testimony.

As it turns out, Serapion was correct: The language and thought-patterns in the Gospel of Peter have convinced most contemporary scholars that the book was written in the first half of the second century — a generation after Peter’s death, at a time when the Docetist heresy was spreading.
Despite Serapion’s rejection of the book, the Gospel of Peter remained popular reading among Christians for several centuries. In fact, more ancient fragments remain from the Gospel of Peter than from the Gospel According to Mark. Still, only the scantest evidence exists to suggest that, except for those few months in the church at Rhossus, the Gospel of Peter was ever considered an authoritative account of Jesus’ life.

THE ‘ACTS OF PAUL’

About the same time that Serapion was examining the Gospel of Peter, an argument about baptism erupted in a congregation in North Africa. A few church members appealed to a writing known as the Acts of Paul — a document that some Christians seem to have accepted as authoritative. The Acts of Paul is a fascinating text. According to this document, being a Christian includes not only faith in Jesus but also abstinence from sexual relations. Plus, partway through the Acts of Paul, the Apostle Paul baptizes a lion.

It was an elder named Tertullian of Carthage who related some of the reasons why the Acts of Paul never became an authoritative text. When Tertullian heard that some church members were appealing to the Acts of Paul, he seems to have conducted some research into the book’s origins. In the process, he dug up several facts that cast doubt on the book’s dependability.

What Tertullian discovered was that the author of the Acts of Paul was neither an apostle nor acquainted with any apostles. The author had served as an elder in a church in Asia a half-century after Paul’s martyrdom. When questioned, the elder admitted that he had concocted the stories “out of love for Paul.” Once churches in the area learned that these stories were fictional, they forced the elder to step down from his position. This rightly led Tertullian to reject the Acts of Paul as “a writing that circulates falsely under Paul’s name.”

What interests me most about these events is how much early Christians wanted to make certain that their authoritative writings represented historical truth. It truly mattered to these men and women that historical facts formed the foundations of their sacred books. If second-century Christians weren’t concerned with preserving eyewitness truth, why did this elder — who most likely wanted nothing more than to honor Paul’s memory with a few super-fantastic tales — end up shamed and stripped of his ordination?

WHO CHOSE THE BOOKS?

So what do these texts tell us about why certain ancient texts became authoritative among Christians? Even among the earliest Christians, testimony that could be connected to eyewitnesses of the risen Lord was uniquely authoritative. That’s why the supposed “lost Scriptures” were lost — or, more precisely, why they were not preserved with the writings that appear in your New Testament today.

Not only the Gospel of Peter but also other post-apostolic accounts of the life and teachings of Jesus — the Gospel of Judas, Gospel of Mary, Gospel of Philip, Gospel of the Egyptians, Gospel of the Savior, Gospel of Truth, and several others — emerged in the second and third centuries, long after the last apostles died. It’s true that some portions of the Gospel of Peter as well as the Gospel of Thomas — another second-century Gospel that’s falsely ascribed to an apostle — probably stem from very early testimony about Jesus. But these few first-century traditions have been heavily mingled with second-century additions that had no foundation in any eyewitness testimony.

In most cases, early Christians knew that these documents came too late to represent eyewitness testimony about Jesus. So, the primary preservers of these later texts were sects — such as the Gnostics — that focused more on mystical interpretations of Jesus’ teachings than on the historical events of Jesus’ life.

I don’t want to leave you with the false impression that Christians quickly and easily settled every debate about their sacred writings. Prior to the fifth century, when different congregations listed the writings that they treated as authoritative testimony about Jesus, the results were rarely identical.

Yet, before you become too concerned with what might be different if early Christians had concluded that your favorite book of the New Testament didn’t qualify, consider carefully the overwhelming degree of agreement between every early listing of authoritative texts.

At least as early as the second century, there were at least 19 texts that were never questioned — and these are writings that reflect the most essential truths about Jesus. From the very beginning, Christians embraced the four Gospels, Acts, the letters of Paul, and at least one letter from John. Even if this score or so of books had been the only documents that represented eyewitness testimony about Jesus, every vital truth of Christian faith would remain completely intact.

Arguments about a few writings — including the letters of Peter, John’s second and third letters, the letters of James and Jude, and Revelation — did persist beyond the second century. By the closing years of the fourth century, Christians were arriving at widespread agreement concerning 27 books — writings that were based on eyewitness testimony about Jesus. The letter of Athanasius in 367 reflected this consensus.

Many years did pass between the days of the apostles and the time when Christians agreed concerning every New Testament text. And, yet, a definite standard directed this process — a conviction that these writings must be rooted in reliable, eyewitness testimony. What’s more, despite continuing disagreements about a few writings, strong agreement on 20 or so texts existed at least as early as the second century. As a result, there’s every reason to believe that the testimony you find in your New Testament came from men and women who personally followed Jesus and who passed on their experiences to generations yet to come.
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This column first appeared at http://www.timothypauljones.com, the website of Timothy Paul Jones. Jones is associate professor of leadership and church ministry at Southern Baptist Theological Seminary in Louisville, Ky. Jones is the author or co-author of several books, including “Christian History Made Easy” and “Misquoting Truth: A Guide to the Fallacies of Bart Ehrman’s ‘Misquoting Jesus.'” Get Baptist Press headlines and breaking news on Twitter (@BaptistPress), Facebook (Facebook.com/BaptistPress) and in your email (baptistpress.com/SubscribeBP.asp).

For further reading on this topic:

“Misquoting Truth: A Guide to the Fallacies of Bart Ehrman’s ‘Misquoting Jesus” (Timothy Paul Jones)

“Canon Revisited: Establishing the Origins and Authority of the New Testament Books” (Michael J. Kruger)

“Revisiting the Corruption of the New Testament: Manuscript, Patristic, and Apocryphal Evidence” (Daniel B. Wallace)

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