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Just who is the Son of God?

In Apologetics, Chrisitian, Christ, Christian, Christianity, Prayer, Satan, Saved, Sin, Sunday School, Trinity on March 27, 2011 at 3:01 pm

 

 

Are there just 3 somebody’s in the Trinity is this some kind of mystic math? Isn’t loving Jesus enough why bother with all this 1st person 2nd person stuff? I mean really I just want to love Jesus and sing!

John 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

 

Mat 17:2 And was transfigured before them: and his face did shine as the sun, and his raiment was white as the light.

 

(Heb 6:1-2 HCSB)  Therefore, leaving the elementary message about the Messiah, let us go on to maturity, not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, faith in God, teaching about ritual washings, laying on of hands, the resurrection of the dead, and eternal judgment.

 

Seeing God’s glory in the flesh witnessing how the Son existed with the Father and His revealing His true nature calls for some major rethinking and deeper investigating. The incarnation of the Son made a distinction and revealed more than a God that no one had ever seen. Language fails, minds fall short for explanation, disbelief tempts us, doubt and misunderstanding overtake our thinking, and then it becomes apparent God is one and more than one at the same time! HOW can this be? God introduced us to the Son and the Spirit and put them in human history. This was the mystery revealed from the prophets, they saw in the distance. This was the secret that was kept till the right time and place in history. We saw hints in the older testament of the preincarnate Christ and the best definition we have are theophanies but that is nothing to the revelation that happened in Bethlehem. Finally God allowed an encounter with how He truly is, how He really exists: as Father, Son and Holy Spirit. We will never have the understanding it takes to grasp this, but what we do know goes all through eternity to who God is internally, eternally, and essentially. Remember the words we use fall short of accurate but are generally the only way we can express this marvelous revelation who knew that there are relationships of origin in the life of the Trinity.

One of the best examples of this is in the revelation of who the Son is. For Trinitarian reasons the second person of the Trinity is eternally the Son of the Father. The differences that make the word son expand from its earthly meaning and apply to a Son that is essential and eternal.

1st. First he cannot be younger than his father.

2nd. Second He is alone the son of the Living God because this exhausts the totality of essential son-ship in himself.

3rd. Third because of his eternal position He could not have a mother.

After we remove these particular temporal aspects of a son we are left with something that requires definition. The Son cannot be a different kind of being than his Father, which leaves someone from His very being. This allows for the Son to be co-equal with the Father not a lower being but on the same level as God. Next the Son exists in that relationship of originating from the Father- He comes from the Father. We define that relationship of origin with the word begetting, so the language we use to say that the Father begets the Son.  We could also say that the Father, fathers the Son. Different attempts to define this existence used expressions like the Father sires the Son this old fashioned word now has more to do with animal discussions than with eternal understandings. Beget is another word from the Queen’s English or the King James Bible type of speaking that is no longer used in modernity. For better clarity and to prevent misunderstandings we could express it as eternal begetting or eternal generation. The Bible is very clear regarding any language “that once upon a time the Son was begotten by the Father, never having existed before” being incorrect in understanding and language. There was never a time when the Son wasn’t the Son, the Father wasn’t the Father, and the Spirit was the Spirit. The Son always stands in this relationship of from-ness or eternal begottenness.

John 17:24 Father, I desire those You have given Me to be with Me where I am. Then they will see My glory, which You have given Me because You loved Me before the world’s foundation.

What we are describing after the addition of the Spirit is the ontological Trinity or the immanent Trinity which includes these eternal relations of origin. This is the classic way of describing the eternal life of the triune God in him. This has been the understanding from the very beginning of the primitive church. The early fathers of the church with the acceptance of the community of believers saw the single/plurality of God “the three oneness or one three-ness” of God. Until the sending of the Son then the giving of the Holy Spirit people could only catch glimpses and shadows of the Tri-unity of God. When the God who is here, through the Son that was given, Immanuel, Jesus the Christ, the Son of Man, Jehovah cried “tetelestai” it is finished, the veil was torn in half in the Holy of Holies and for the first time since the fall God would be able to commune with His creatures personally.

Matthew 13:35 This was to fulfill what was spoken by the prophet: “I will open my mouth in parables; I will utter what has been hidden since the foundation of the world.”

 

We need to be extremely careful how we handle the truth of the Trinity and explain it in a particularly careful way. More than anything we should never describe the Trinity in a way that goes in any direction beyond what God has revealed. God claims the things that are secret. Be careful of anything that over clarifies or defines something as infinite as the Triune God of this universe. The same concept applies to the dual nature of the Son. Nothing can completely describe the man God Jesus the Christ, how can we describe 100 percent God and 100 percent man? If we can explain the dual nature of Christ the Trinity is easy by comparison.  Information concerning the Trinity is most precious and we should not be found missing what God has revealed about himself to us. Those things revealed belong to us and the family of God for eternity. The Trinity keeps our understanding of relationships of origin and sonship in proper perspective. The Son and the Holy Spirit have always come from the Father.

 

The Trinity is the background of the gospel of salvation and redemption as provided by God. God for us only makes sense if there is a God in himself reconciling us to himself through the Son. The language of redemption only makes sense in this setting. The prayers that Jesus the Christ the Son of Man offered only make sense if they are spoken to some other in eternity. The prayer of Christ spoken in John is understandable only if there is more than one in the Godhead. If God the Father is sending the Son then the giving and receiving make sense otherwise why would this prayer would be spoken and described in Holy Scripture?

 

John 17:1-11 HCSB Jesus spoke these things, looked up to heaven, and said: Father, the hour has come. Glorify Your Son so that the Son may glorify You,  for You gave Him authority over all flesh; so He may give eternal life to all You have given Him. This is eternal life: that they may know You, the only true God, and the One You have sent–Jesus Christ. I have glorified You on the earth by completing the work You gave Me to do. Now, Father, glorify Me in Your presence with that glory I had with You before the world existed. I have revealed Your name to the men You gave Me from the world. They were Yours, You gave them to Me, and they have kept Your word.  Now they know that all things You have given to Me are from You, because the words that You gave Me, I have given them. They have received them and have known for certain that I came from You. They have believed that You sent Me. I pray for them. I am not praying for the world but for those You have given Me, because they are Yours. All My things are Yours, and Yours are Mine, and I have been glorified in them. I am no longer in the world, but they are in the world, and I am coming to You. Holy Father, protect them by Your name that You have given Me, so that they may be one as We are one.

 

The concept of the Trinity has to be revealed since the Son was revealed in human history otherwise it would still be a secret yet to be discovered as the Son was prior to the incarnation. The language of Trinity comes from scripture and forces us to deal with how God is. Then the giving of the helper the Holy Spirit requires proper thinking and describing. Once the Son began His purpose of atonement that begins the process of describing how God exists. Jesus claimed to be God and the Son of God from all eternity at the same time. Obviously the Jews understood His claim because they wanted to stone Him for blasphemy and claiming equality with God was a crime unless you really were equal. That is when we were shown the proper meaning of the fatherhood of God the Father. At the same time the defining of the relationship of the eternal Son that has always existed with the Father and sending of the Holy Spirit at Pentecost. The Holy Spirit has been proceeding from the Father since eternity past. Remember the eternal life of God in himself is something “even better than the good news of the gospel” and we have the responsibility to handle this with reverence. This better explained that God’s eternal life as Father, Son and Holy Spirit is a way of existing in eternal blessedness and perfection. God is the core of the gospel of repentance and salvation.  God in himself is perfectly happy; being perfect he cannot improve anything about himself. Susannah Wesley is quoted as saying that God is “perfect eternal blessedness” a being “that cannot receive any accession (attaining more of) of perfection or happiness from his creatures” He provides to us what he already has happiness and blessedness. Our vision of God with no unmet needs is how God exists already “in other words the good news starts far outside of us, in the life of the blessed Trinity which is complete in itself and suffers from no lack” quoted from The Deep Things of God: How the Trinity changes everything Fred Sanders author. What a wonderful and exciting moment when we realize that grace has a double portion when the Trinity is complete in itself and God still chose to redeem us! That is truly grace being unneeded, ungrateful, selfish, fallen evil creatures that rejected Him, he still choose in His completeness to seek and save us from our torment and sin.

 

Col 1:15-20 HCSB  He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation; because by Him everything was created, in heaven and on earth, the visible and the invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities–all things have been created through Him and for Him. He is before all things, and by Him all things hold together.  He is also the head of the body, the church; He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, so that He might come to have first place in everything. For God was pleased to have all His fullness dwell in Him, and through Him to reconcile everything to Himself by making peace through the blood of His cross–whether things on earth or things in heaven.

 

Amen and Amen

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