More on the issue of Belivers Baptism

In Apologetics, Chrisitian, Christ, Christian, Christianity, Prayer, Satan on June 6, 2009 at 3:09 am


Functional symbolism. Hewn in the form of a cross, out of a single stone shaped like a column drum, this baptismal font stood in the center of the baptistery in the central church at Herodium (Herod’s palace nine miles south of Jerusalem). It measures 3.6 feet wide and nearly 3 feet high. The baptistery, the place where baptisms were performed, usually occupied a small auxiliary room near the apse in Byzantine basilica churches.




This Byzantine era baptismal font is one of the best preserved in the Holy Land. Two steps lead down into the basin where the penitent would stand when the priest poured water over him ( the basin is not big enough for total immersion.)





As pictured above from very early churches predating Roman Catholics as we know them and early Christian art we see evidence of pouring on of water for baptism. And instructions from the Didache ( The teaching of the Twelve) based from the Jerusalem Council somewhere around 50 to 70 AD.  Please bear in mind I agree with immersion and total immersion but that doesn’t exclude those who can’t or didn’t from the early church. I do accept the early church practices as more authentic due their proximity to the Apostle Fathers of the Anti-Nicene era. If they had been in error a forthcoming correction would have been recorded. See the copy of the Didache below:

6:1 See lest any man lead you astray from this way of righteousness, for he teacheth thee apart from God.
6:2 For if thou art able to bear the whole yoke of the Lord, thou shalt be perfect;
6:3 but if thou art not able, do that which thou art able.
6:4 But concerning eating, bear that which thou art able;
6:5 yet abstain by all means from meat sacrificed to idols;
6:6 for it is the worship of dead gods.

7:1 But concerning baptism, thus shall ye baptize.
7:2 Having first recited all these things, baptize {in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit} in living (running) water.
7:3 But if thou hast not living water, then baptize in other water;
7:4 and if thou art not able in cold, then in warm.
7:5 But if thou hast neither, then pour water on the head thrice in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit.
7:6 But before the baptism let him that baptizeth and him that is baptized fast, and any others also who are able;
7:7 and thou shalt order him that is baptized to fast a day or two before.

8:1 And let not your fastings be with the hypocrites, for they fast on the second and the fifth day of the week;
8:2 but do ye keep your fast on the fourth and on the preparation (the sixth) day.
8:3 Neither pray ye {as the hypocrites,} but as the Lord commanded in His Gospel, {thus pray ye.
8:4 Our Father, which art in heaven, hallowed be Thy name;
8:5 Thy kingdom come;
8:6 Thy will be done, as in heaven, so also on earth;
8:7 give us this day our daily bread;
8:8 and forgive us our debt, as we also forgive our debtors;
8:9 and lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from the evil one;}
8:10 for Thine is the power and the glory for ever and ever.
8:11 Three times in the day pray ye so.

Last but by no means any less important let’s look at the accepted laws of logic

  1. The Law of Identity: An object is identical to itself.
  2. The Law of Non-Contradiction: two contradictory statements cannot be true at the same time.
  3. The Law of the Excluded Middle: Just because two things have one thing in common does not mean they have everything in common.
  4. The Law of Rational Inferences: Inferences can be made from what is known to what is unknown.

Two theories of truth/methods of truth testing-

  1. Correspondence
  2. Coherence

Correspondence and coherence are incontrovertible methods of establishing truth in a court of law. Based on the other document I sent last week you see these methods being employed in explaining my understanding of the ordnance of baptism. In studying the Bible I have been thought to keep it in perspective of 1st –cultural truth, 2nd conscience truth, 3rd Scriptural truth. Meaning study the culture of the Bible in its context of history, try to understand the mind of the writer and how they saw things, always in light and view of scripture. The Bible is both a book of geography and history as well as God’s word. God is a God of empirical value. God has etched his reality in stones and history. He is never inconsistent or arbitrary. His correspondence is factually supported and is the foundation of truth. His coherence is of the highest order (factual consistency). I believe the understanding of Believers Baptism meets the test of credibility:

  1. The pragmatic basis: Does it really work?
  2. The experiential basis: Can I sense it in my experience internally?
  3. The cosmic or metaphysical basis: Does it fit the big picture?
  4. The historical basis: Did what it says really happen?
  5. The community basis: Does it provide relational support?
  6. Unaffirmability as a test for falsehood.
  7. Undeniability as a test for truth.

Thanks for indulging me this opportunity to express my deepest held beliefs, please note that my intention is always for the truth of the word and I stand on my belief. I always will be willing to be questioned and do my due diligence in relooking at my understanding of those things I hold too.

Your brother and friend in Christ,



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