From Stacy and the Downpour series

In Apologetics, Christ, Christian, Christianity, Prayer, Satan, Saved on February 23, 2009 at 4:50 am

Let me pose another propisition to this discussion…Evil entered reality when Satan chose to separate himself from God. (Remember he was an angel of light first before his fall). In the form of a serpent, he successfully deceived Adam and Eve into questioning what God’s said and his rules concerning their life in the Garden of Eden. All things were not kosher prior to the Garden. Thoughts?““““““““`

Dan’s response

Stacy just a small clarification Eve was deceived but Adam choose to sin as the Serpent was talking to them Adam was present the whole time. He knew the rules God had laid down and could have corrected the situation at any moment. There are some who think Eve was some new to the garden and what God had trained Adam in that he failed in teaching Eve what God had instructed. The scriptures speak to this in Genesis. her deception plus Adam’s pride gave way for Satan to take from him what God had given him chiefly to rule over the creation.

Gen 3:3


but God said, ‘You shall not eat of the fruit of the tree that is in the midst of the garden, neither shall you touch it, lest you die.'”

Gen 3:4


But the serpent said to the woman, “You will not surely die.

Gen 3:6


So when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was a delight to the eyes, and that the tree was to be desired to make one wise, she took of its fruit and ate, and she also gave some to her husband who was with her, and he ate.

Gen 3:7


Then the eyes of both were opened, and they knew that they were naked. And they sewed fig leaves together and made themselves loincloths.

I have done a small amount of research and I’ll quote from a couple of sources:

The Christian Religion in its Doctrinal Expressions by EY Mullins page 280 paragraph 7:

We have no clear understanding as to the cause of the fall of angels. It is usually held to be pride. This is inferred from Paul’s words to Timothy, in which he is speaking of the qualities of a bishop:”not a novice, lest being puffed up he fall into the condemnation of the devil”

1Ti 3:6


He must not be a recent convert, or he may become puffed up with conceit and fall into the condemnation of the devil.

Ibid page 283 item (1) We have little light upon the question of a fall among created intelligence prior to the fall of man. There are allusions in Scripture which seem to point to such a fall. Satan, the prince of evil spirits, is represented as a malign influence ruling the world and holding man in his power. His agency in the fall on man is clearly implied in various biblical teachings.

In conclusion for the moment I would make this observation, which at it’s best is not any more warranted than anyone else’s. God cannot and will not tolerate sin in any form anywhere he is. The state of heaven could be said to exist in realm of God;s presence. When the fall in heaven took place which predates mankind as far as I can tell. God dealt with sin quickly and decisively by casting out Lucifer and he then became known as Satan. I believe the sate of Heaven at any given time is always perfect due to God’s presence and his eternal perfection. More to come great comment and thoughts keep them coming.


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