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In Response to Christ’s Preincarnate Works

In Christ, Christian, Trinity on February 2, 2009 at 11:26 pm

Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Joh 1:2 He was in the beginning with God.
Joh 1:3 All things were made through him, and without him was not any thing made that was made.
Joh 1:4 In him was life, and the life was the light of men.
(Joh 1:14) And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

(Joh 6:33) For the bread of God is he who comes down from heaven and gives life to the world.”

(Joh 6:34) They said to him, “Sir, give us this bread always.”

(Joh 6:35) Jesus said to them, “I am the bread of life; whoever comes to me shall not hunger, and whoever believes in me shall never thirst.

(Joh 6:36) But I said to you that you have seen me and yet do not believe.

(Joh 6:37) All that the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never cast out.

(Joh 6:38) For I have come down from heaven, not to do my own will but the will of him who sent me.

(Joh 6:39) And this is the will of him who sent me, that I should lose nothing of all that he has given me, but raise it up on the last day.

(Joh 6:40) For this is the will of my Father, that everyone who looks on the Son and believes in him should have eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day.”

(Joh 6:41) So the Jews grumbled about him, because he said, “I am the bread that came down from heaven.”

(Joh 6:42) They said, “Is not this Jesus, the son of Joseph, whose father and mother we know? How does he now say, ‘I have come down from heaven’?”

(Joh 6:43) Jesus answered them, “Do not grumble among yourselves.

(Joh 6:44) No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him. And I will raise him up on the last day.

(Joh 6:45) It is written in the Prophets, ‘And they will all be taught by God.’ Everyone who has heard and learned from the Father comes to me–

(Joh 6:46) not that anyone has seen the Father except he who is from God; he has seen the Father.

(Joh 6:47) Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever believes has eternal life.

(Joh 6:48) I am the bread of life.

(Joh 6:49) Your fathers ate the manna in the wilderness, and they died.

(Joh 6:50) This is the bread that comes down from heaven, so that one may eat of it and not die.

(Joh 6:51) I am the living bread that came down from heaven. If anyone eats of this bread, he will live forever. And the bread that I will give for the life of the world is my flesh.”

(Joh 6:52) The Jews then disputed among themselves, saying, “How can this man give us his flesh to eat?”

(Joh 6:53) So Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you.

(Joh 6:54) Whoever feeds on my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day.

(Joh 6:55) For my flesh is true food, and my blood is true drink.

(Joh 6:56) Whoever feeds on my flesh and drinks my blood abides in me, and I in him.

(Joh 6:57) As the living Father sent me, and I live because of the Father, so whoever feeds on me, he also will live because of me.

(Joh 6:58) This is the bread that came down from heaven, not like the bread the fathers ate and died. Whoever feeds on this bread will live forever.”

(Joh 6:59) Jesus said these things in the synagogue, as he taught at Capernaum.

(Joh 6:60) When many of his disciples heard it, they said, “This is a hard saying; who can listen to it?”

(Joh 6:61) But Jesus, knowing in himself that his disciples were grumbling about this, said to them, “Do you take offense at this?

(Joh 6:62) Then what if you were to see the Son of Man ascending to where he was before?

(Joh 8:58) Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I am.”

(Joh 17:5) And now, Father, glorify me in your own presence with the glory that I had with you before the world existed.

(Php 2:6) who, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped,

(Gill) Who being in the form of God,…. The Father; being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person. This form is to be understood, not of any shape or figure of him; for as such is not to be seen, it is not to be supposed of him; or any accidental form, for there are no accidents in God, whatever is in God, is God; he is nothing but nature and essence, he is the το ον, the Jehovah, I am what I am; and so is his Son, which is, and was, and is to come, the fountain of all created beings nor does it intend any outward representation and resemblance of him, such as in kings; who, because of the honour and dignity they are raised unto, the authority and power they have, and because of the glory and majesty they are arrayed with, are called gods: nor does it design the state and condition Christ appeared in here on earth, having a power to work miracles, heal diseases, and dispossess devils, for the manifestation of his glory; and so might be said to be in the form of God, as Moses for doing less miracles is said to be a God unto Pharaoh; since this account does not regard Christ; as he was on earth in human nature, but what he was antecedent to the assumption of it; or otherwise his humility and condescension in becoming man, and so mean, will not appear: but this phrase, “the form of God”, is to be understood of the nature and essence of God, and describes Christ as he was from all eternity; just as the form of a servant signifies that he was really a servant, and the fashion of a man in which he was found means that he was truly and really man; so his being in the form of God intends that he was really and truly God; that he partook of the same nature with the Father, and was possessed of the same glory: from whence it appears, that he was in being before his incarnation; that he existed as a distinct person from God his Father, in whose form he was, and that as a divine person, or as truly God, being in the glorious form, nature, and essence of God; and that there is but one form of God, or divine nature and essence, common to the Father and the Son, and also to the Spirit; so that they are not three Gods, but one God: what the form of God is, the Heathens themselves (g) say cannot be comprehended nor seen, and so not to be inquired after; and they use the same word the apostle does here (h): and now Christ being in this glorious form, or having the same divine nature with the Father, with all the infinite and unspeakable glories of it,

thought it no robbery to be equal with God; the Father; for if he was in the same form, nature, and essence, he must be equal to him, as he is; for he has the same perfections, as eternity, omniscience, omnipotence, omnipresence, immutability, and self-existence: hence he has the same glorious names, as God, the mighty God, the true God, the living God, God over all, Jehovah, the Lord of glory, &c. the same works of creation and providence are ascribed to him, and the same worship, homage, and honour given him: to be “in the form of God”, and to be “equal with God”, signify the same thing, the one is explanative of the other: and this divine form and equality, or true and proper deity, he did not obtain by force and rapine, by robbery and usurpation, as Satan attempted to do, and as Adam by his instigation also affected; and so the mind of a wicked man, as Philo the Jew says (i), being a lover of itself and impious, οιομενος ισος ειναι θεω, “thinks itself to be equal with God”, a like phrase with this here used; but Christ enjoyed this equality by nature; he thought, he accounted, he knew he had it this way; and he held it hereby, and of right, and not by any unlawful means; and he reckoned that by declaring and showing forth his proper deity, and perfect equality with the Father, he robbed him of no perfection; the same being in him as in the Father, and the same in the Father as in him; that he did him no injury, nor deprived him of any glory, or assumed that to himself which did not belong to him: as for the sense which some put upon the words, that he did not “affect”, or “greedily catch” at deity; as the phrase will not admit of it, so it is not true in fact; he did affect deity, and asserted it strongly, and took every proper opportunity of declaring it, and in express terms affirmed he was the Son of God; and in terms easy to be understood declared his proper deity, and his unity and equality with the Father; required the same faith in himself as in the Father, and signified that he that saw the one, saw the other, Mar_14:61 Joh_5:17. Others give this as the sense of them, that he did not in an ostentatious way show forth the glory of his divine nature, but rather hid it; it is true, indeed, that Christ did not seek, but carefully shunned vain glory and popular applause; and therefore often after having wrought a miracle, would charge the persons on whom it was wrought, or the company, or his disciples, not to speak of it; this he did at certain times, and for certain reasons; yet at other times we find, that he wrought miracles to manifest forth his glory, and frequently appeals to them as proofs of his deity and Messiahship: and besides, the apostle is speaking not of what he was, or did in his incarnate state, but of what he was and thought himself to be, before he became man; wherefore the above sense is to be preferred as the genuine one,

(g) Socraticus, Xenophon, & Aristo Chius, apud Minuc. Felic. Octav. p. 20. & Hostanes apud Caecil. Cyprian. de Idol. van. p. 46. (h) Laertii proem. ad Vit. Philosoph. p. 7. (i) Leg. Alleg. l. 1. p. 48, 49.

(Col 1:16) For by him all things were created, in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities–all things were created through him and for him.

(Heb 1:10) And, “You, Lord, laid the foundation of the earth in the beginning, and the heavens are the work of your hands;

I hope this helps sum up some of the new Testment References for you thanks for asking. I also included a little John Gill Expo on the Whole bible to help a little..

Dan

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